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Post by comstar on Aug 20, 2021 4:32:17 GMT
What's everyone's understanding of this terminology when assessing used parts? Take a spoked wheel rim with tyre as a basic example.....should it be in near perfect condition or should we expect the odd dodgy spoke with a bit of surface rust? And on the chrome rim...should it be straight with no buckles? And should the tyre if part of the deal.....should it be nearly new or not??? Curious these days how the word 'excellent' is banded around....is 'excellent' what it is actually 'is' these days in the dictionary? And let's not let us get started on the use of 'mint' these days.
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Post by richard on Aug 20, 2021 6:20:25 GMT
hello
excellent condition, to me at least would infer that it was in great working condition, with no faults etc, in your example a bucked rim would be far from excellent
i would probably bypass anything that was advertised as " mint " it would sound like the seller was trying to hard.. another annoyance is " good condition for age " meaning its knackered, but what do you expect for X number of years.. having bought and sold numerous items of ebay/gumtree over the last 10 yrs, if the listing reads honestly i would be more inclined to buy the item as opposed to... " its mint mate, you wont find a better one " etc another thing some folk use particularly on fleabay is " see pictures as they form part of the description " which means that if you dont spot something its a cop out as they simply say " well its was on the picture " and of course you dont have any real comeback in that situation the list is endless and/or subjective i guess, some folk advertise honestly and other folk will try and sell sand to the arabs... thanks richard
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Post by davefirestorm on Aug 20, 2021 6:53:07 GMT
Richards spot on š Excellent condition I would expect it to be perfect with no corrosion/scratches etc.
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Post by buster on Aug 20, 2021 7:00:11 GMT
I'm in agreement with richard, I suppose there is some context when somethings described as excellent for a 40 year old part and you then end up ignoring the description and trying to pick fault with it (usually through photo's these days). this is one reason I used to like buying german parts, the sellers often give quite a pessimistic description and then when it arrives it turns out to be excellent, shame about the import duties
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Post by comstar on Aug 20, 2021 7:08:26 GMT
Letās take a 2006 wheel and not a 40 year old one if you like.
(Sorry should have made this clear from the outset).
Anyway, should it really make that much difference? We still have the words āgoodā and āfairā available last time I checked. Seems to be convenient to mis-describe things for so many seller on eBay etc which just leads to wasting everyoneās timeā¦.
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Post by comstar on Aug 20, 2021 7:19:47 GMT
The above saidā¦..do we all have a genuine difficulty (each of us) on how to properly describe somethingās actual condition, especially when selling?
I donāt think any of us here do but beware guysā¦..itās still a jungleā¦
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Post by bawbag on Aug 20, 2021 7:31:59 GMT
Somethingās happened nic I can tel. Lol
You been caught? Spill those beans.
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Post by comstar on Aug 20, 2021 7:37:55 GMT
Not caught as such. I just wish people would describe items correctly sometimes.
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Post by andy1kenobe on Aug 20, 2021 10:28:16 GMT
This is where the 'ask seller a question' comes into play. If the picture has a tyre on the rim and it's not mentioned in the text, ask. More detailed pictures required, ask. With ebay, check the sellers feedback, check the other listings they have. Gives a reasonable idea of them. If the seller does not bother to answer, move on.
The saying 'a picture tells a thousand words' is useful. How often do we see a listing saying how great the thing is and how much has been spent on tarting it up and then we look at the picture and see the tank decals on the wrong way, the seat cover on the wrong way, wrong clocks, etc. But of course the bike is in 'original' untouched condition!
We can be over critical. Your idea of the condition may be different to mine. Then it's how we interpret those words ourselves. But there is no doubt some sellers are economical with the truth to get the maximum cashola for their pile of junk. It used to be straightforward to open a SNAD case on paypal but now ebay are onto managed payments it may be more difficult. I can tell you how it works as a business seller but not as a private seller. Business seller are obliged to accept returns and if you open a return stating something is wrong, we have to pay return shipping fees and on refunding, it's the whole amount refunded back to the buyer, including the original shipping fee. The money is held back from your ebay payout as soon as you initiate a return request. Private sellers do not have accept returns of their used junk. You have to contact them about it and see what they say. If no joy, then leave neg feedback, complain to eaby and possibly online money claim.
I've probably gone on a bit too much there, sorry!
Caveat Emptor everyone!
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Post by davefirestorm on Aug 20, 2021 10:47:48 GMT
We all have different standards or expectations of what we see as excellent/good/very good condition,a totally honest seller will describe what theyāre flogging totally honestly but Iāve bought brake discs described as āperfect useable ā condition and theyāve been scrap got refund on both eventualy,one seller claimed to be a weapons technician/inspector for American armed forces and had accurately measured the thickness and argued with me when I showed him a picture of the disc measured properly with a micrometer in the MIDDLE š got me money back ,Gawd help us a weapons technician indeedšš
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Post by robinbanks on Aug 20, 2021 19:11:52 GMT
Agree, people have different perceptions when it comes to describing the condition of things. What surprises me is how totally different these perceptions can sometimes be.
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Post by robinbanks on Aug 20, 2021 19:12:41 GMT
On the flip side we also have differing expectations.
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Post by comstar on Aug 21, 2021 23:02:36 GMT
On the flip side we also have differing expectations. Absolutely. An it was suggested today that my expectations may be unrealistically high... I mean, ahem, where ever did they get that impression from?
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